how long before google is self aware?
achairlime:
probably the tagline could be a little more specific
John Kernan:
how so
achairlime:
like
achairlime:
A Monkey shirt for those who still want to look good.
achairlime:
the tagline could be describing anything
John Kernan:
k check it now
achairlime:
yeah, right
achairlime:
you would think that google can't figure out the text isn't relevant
achairlime:
but it knows
achairlime:
it has billions of other pages to interpolate relevance from
John Kernan:
how long before Google is self-aware
John Kernan:
honestly.
achairlime:
you know
achairlime:
i read an article about this a little while ago
John Kernan:
oh?
achairlime:
and the guy was claiming in a lot of ways, it already is
achairlime:
one of the main points he was touching on is it already has a system of self preservation
John Kernan:
ok that's, how you say, retarded
achairlime:
although umans are required to fix it
John Kernan:
bacteria have systems of self-preservation
John Kernan:
i'm talking consciousness
achairlime:
yeah, well what i was going to say
achairlime:
is that what i drew away from that article, after thinking on it for a while: probably never
John Kernan:
oh?
achairlime:
either that or hundreds of years
John Kernan:
humans would have to bestow that faculty upon it
John Kernan:
really. hundreds of year before true ai?
achairlime:
google isn't where it's going to come from
John Kernan:
no
John Kernan:
but don't you think they would buy it up right away
John Kernan:
and then you would have a search engine you could ask a question
John Kernan:
and it would prepare an answer for you
John Kernan:
from the entire internet
John Kernan:
in a few sentences
achairlime:
there is a really high degree of sophistication there, but when you dig down deep enough the logic is still based on simple conditionals
John Kernan:
well of course
John Kernan:
or neurons are just on/off switches
John Kernan:
our*
achairlime:
that's not entirely true
John Kernan:
i know how a neuron works
John Kernan:
and it is a tad more complicated than 0/1
achairlime:
right but the way they influence each other
John Kernan:
but in the end
achairlime:
is what is really important
John Kernan:
a given neuron can either give a pulse, or not
John Kernan:
there's no degree of pulse
John Kernan:
the tricky part is getting one to fire
achairlime:
from the way they grow in the first place, despite all of the hubaloo about it, i think it's really apparent that there are just a few patterns which allow an emergent system to come around
John Kernan:
hullabaloo?
John Kernan:
yes.
achairlime:
yeah, there is a pretty huge debate about how your brain actually manages to develop
achairlime:
but i've read a lot about it
John Kernan:
i can't say i have
John Kernan:
on a neurological level anyway
achairlime:
and i think the people who are voting for "there are a few hundred or so genetically encoded rules which allow an emergent system to develop"
achairlime:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
achairlime:
i think those people generally have it right
achairlime:
computers are fundamentally different from this, they are based on millions of conditional logic sequences that are hand crafted by people
John Kernan:
i was going to bring up ants but i didnt know if that was dumb
John Kernan:
we were talking once about a group of robots
John Kernan:
that were programmed with something really simple
John Kernan:
to sort a room full of colored balls or something
achairlime:
emergent behavior
achairlime:
i did an independent study on this in high school
achairlime:
it's one of my favorite subjects
John Kernan:
i'll have to read up on it sometime
